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NIGHTWISH's OLZON Says It Wasn't 'Good Decision' For Band To Play With Substitute Singers - Sep. 30, 2012
NIGHTWISH frontwoman Anette Olzon believes it was a bad idea for the rest of her band to have used substitute singers for their show in Denver, Colorado after she was taken ill and had to be hospitalized.

KAMELOT backing singers Elize Ryd (also of AMARANTHE) and Alissa White-Gluz (also of THE AGONIST) stepped in for Anette this past Friday night (September 28) at the Ogden Theatre because Olzon was suffering from fever and vomiting and was forced to spend the night at a local hospital. The rest of NIGHTWISH stated about their decision to use stand-in vocalists for the gig, "We were in hell [on Friday]. [The] show [was] about to be canceled... But nobody gave up an inch. With the help from the ladies Elize and Alissa from KAMELOT, we actually managed to pull of a relaxed and great show! The crowd doing the mass karaoke with the band playing was absolutely amazing. We were humbled and grateful at the same time. This is unity and help from friends and fans."

Writing on her official blog, Olzon voiced her displeasure over the fact that NIGHTWISH played a concert without her, stating, "I was never asked if it was OK they used Elize and Alissa in the show [Friday] night. I don't think it's a good decision they made and I'm sorry for those of you who came to see the whole band but got something else. But I was very ill and this decision wasn't mine.'

She continued in a separate posting, "This is just music. Like life, sometimes we get ill and shows do get canceled. Rihanna wouldn't ask Britney Spears to sing for her if she was ill."

She concluded, "To think a show is more important than the humans in the band is, for me, so totally not in this world."

Photos of Friday night's concert can be seen at this location (courtesy of Brandon Marshall).

Olzon rejoined NIGHTWISH on stage last night (Saturday, September 29) at The Complex in Salt Lake City, Utah. She wrote on her blog after the concert, "Sorry for not being in top form, but I did my best at least."

Olzon joined NIGHTWISH in 2007 as the replacement for Tarja Turunen after the latter was fired in 2005.

Pictured below: Anette Olzon



Video footage below: NIGHTWISH performing with Elize Ryd and Alissa White-Gluz on September 28 in Denver, Colorado





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COMMENT | Look who thinks she matters
posted by : Malleus Maleficarum
9/30/2012 4:28:04 PM
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"To think a show is more important than the humans in the band is for me, so totally not in this world."

Maybe to the people who paid for the ticket it was?

Also, one generic female metal voice is no different than the generic female metal voice replacing it. This Olzon chick is fucking delusional if she thinks she is not replacable by a hot waitress any day of the week. Pretty faces should be silent when not spoken to!


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posted by : dario_argento_is_god
9/30/2012 4:29:48 PM
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wow, she sounds pretty pissed off, i can't say i blame her either. The fans should have to deal with cancellations, thats life, it happens to every band.


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posted by : Mike Portnoy's Empty Tissue Box
9/30/2012 8:10:48 PM
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The fans should have to deal with cancellations? Are you fucking retarded?


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COMMENT | WOW
posted by : ChopShop777
9/30/2012 4:30:15 PM
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Annette's words sound like the beginning of the end between her and the band.


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posted by : funbastard
9/30/2012 4:33:31 PM
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she's a head case. that became pretty clear when she got her own manager. she's going through the whole "i'm bigger than this band" moment. she's got a great voice, but it's time to cut her loose. nighwish should continue as a 4 piece with guest vocalists. and definitely have the 2 replacement singers come back again. they were really damn good.


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COMMENT | Oh here we go
posted by : jpfan87
9/30/2012 4:33:46 PM
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Now she is Diva'ing out now.


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posted by : PHIL_11H58
9/30/2012 4:37:48 PM
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they would have never done that if Tarja would have been sick.....since Tarja already got replaced maybe thats why it was easy for them to get a replacement.....or maybe Anette saw that on blabbermouth people were saying that the chicks were hotter and had better stage presence.


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COMMENT | Ok, so let me get this straight…
posted by : mmm doughnuts
9/30/2012 4:39:37 PM
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The replacement singer of a band is upset about replacement singers replacing her for one show? And I love the analogy of Rihanna and Britney…you are not big enough to pull off a solo show and it sounds like the crowd enjoyed the show.
Get over yourself -- you did more damage than good by commenting.
Diva alert…next story…


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posted by : dogday
9/30/2012 4:40:37 PM
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Exit Olzon, enter Tarja


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COMMENT | Later
posted by : hondo77
9/30/2012 4:49:52 PM
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It is so time for Anette to go.


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posted by : Double Shit-Talkin Jive
9/30/2012 4:54:55 PM
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Anette vs Alissa & Elize!

Man this is getting nasty! hopefully a porno will spawn out of it


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posted by : Traumor
9/30/2012 5:01:19 PM
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As far as I am concerned, Olzon herself will always been a substitute singer.


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posted by : Traumor
9/30/2012 5:01:46 PM
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Which means I hope they fire her ass.


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COMMENT | Substitute of the Substitute
posted by : Stc139
9/30/2012 5:12:35 PM
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Nightwish should have stopped in 05. Technically, Anette IS the substitute. She shouldn't be so pissy when its her turn to be replaced.


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COMMENT | SHE IS NOT THAT GREAT AND IMPORTANT TO CANCEL SHOWS
posted by : Deathpoetry
9/30/2012 5:15:06 PM
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NIGHTWISH CANCEL SHOWS 4 YEARS AGO, FOR THE SAME REASON, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME HELP FROM ELIZE AND ANETTE GET ANGRY...
ANYONE IS FORCING HER TO WORK, SHE CAN BE REPLACED WITH ELIZE. BUT ANETTE WANT TO CANCEL CUZ SHE THINKS THAT SHE IS BRITNEY HAHAHA
WTF?
SHE CAN'T CANCEL THE SHOWS AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
TARJA WAS FIRED CUZ SHE WANT TO DESTROY THE BAND FOREVER, DON'T CONFUSE.
ANETTE IS WORST VOCALIST ANYWAY


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COMMENT | 'RE: SHE IS NOT THAT GREAT AND IMPORTANT TO CANCEL SHOWS'
posted by : munnkie
9/30/2012 5:20:30 PM
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AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, WHY ARE YOU FUCKING SHOUTING?????????


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COMMENT | Wow....
posted by : Stigurne
9/30/2012 5:30:00 PM
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If she's comparing this to Britney Spears replacing Rihanna she's kinda off track. She's in a band and they have to do what's in the fans interest. I only hope they gave them a chance to see the show or get their money back. That's the greatest gift
you can give to the fans under the sircumstances.


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COMMENT | wow
posted by : dethryde
9/30/2012 5:30:59 PM
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beginning of the end for Anette. The band were thinking of the fans, understandable. Also, they're a European band, not here often and probably pay quite a bit to be over here, so to cancel a show would likely cost them money. I can understand her being upset not being able to perform, but she has to understand the dynamics of the band and best decision for band business. Which ultimately, she may have to understand the bands next business decision.


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COMMENT | Little Hypocritical...
posted by : koolkory
9/30/2012 5:35:47 PM
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Yeah, it must suck when your band goes on without you and replaces you and gets somebody else to sing your songs… *cough* Tarja *cough*


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COMMENT | Talk about End Of An Era
posted by : woxlfpuppy
9/30/2012 5:36:23 PM
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I was at the Worcester show and saw these two women perform with Kamelot. They were great. Particulaly Elisa. She's obviously quite talented and has amazing stage charisma. Why she's not touring with her own band and taking center stage, I'll never know. After seeing her live, I have to say, she's that good. You can see it in these videos- and that with little or no rehersal.

It's time to admit that he Annette experiment has failed.

We are witnessing the future of Nightwish. It's my strongest hope that Elisa is part of it.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Talk about End Of An Era'
posted by : TheSpaceforthis
9/30/2012 9:06:58 PM
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Elize is the vocalist of Amaranthe, I dont think she wants to quit that band.


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posted by : MrCaptainMetal
9/30/2012 5:45:42 PM
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The only reason Annette is pissed off is because both singers are far better than she is. I would much rather see Nightwish with Alissa and Elize.


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posted by : Neglect
9/30/2012 5:46:38 PM
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"To think a show is more important than the humans in the band is for me, so totally not in this world."

Touring bands do this all the time, and I've never heard anyone complain about it before. I for one would feel relieved that my band was able to carry on for a night and that the fans were happy.
Not only was it professional to keep the show going, this is also how the band makes its living. If someone calls out sick at work, someone will have to do your job for the day so things can keep rolling. It also sounds like the audience had fun, as did the band and the two sub-singers. A potential negative was turned into a positive. Be grateful.



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posted by : rac1965
9/30/2012 5:48:49 PM
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Drama Queen Alert!

Time to get rid of her and find someone else, she is too full of herself!


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posted by : Longard
9/30/2012 5:57:32 PM
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The reference to Britney Spears and Rhianna was poorly chosen, seeing as how they're both solo singers. She's part of a band, maybe they should have asked her, but she should also not expect that the world stops when she does.


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posted by : JL
9/30/2012 6:12:22 PM
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She better sound pissed off, as both elize and alissa sounded better than Anette. I predict Anette won't be long now with Nightwish as she through them from an unknown singer in a soft-rock band to a well-known name. Not that i'm complaining. I'm tired of her weak-ass live performances.


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posted by : choochdelanooch
9/30/2012 6:12:23 PM
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This woman sounds like a real asshole. She is a replacement singer herself and she is getting pissy about her temporary replacements. At least they had 2 women replace her instead of 1.That actually seems like a compliment, like 1 person can't replace you so we had to get 2. Major ego on this asshole.


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COMMENT | Time for a New Singer
posted by : NightwishUberAlles
9/30/2012 6:17:44 PM
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Dear Nightwish,

I never typically post to this board, but I'm hoping you might be reading this very telling thread.

I live in Seattle, and would definitely be going to your show tomorrow night, but I can't bring myself to do it because Anette's stage charisma is so terrible. She looks like some combination of my mom and/or a member of an Abba karoke band. I saw you guys on the last tour and loved the show, but hated everything about Anette. I closed my eyes and tried to enjoy it, but that's not really ideal. She was a total buzzkill.

I'm not a Tarja loyalist - unfotunately I never saw you guys with her and am sure I would have dug that - but I think you have lots of singer options. Hopefully one who can do justice to all your material. And hopefully someone who belongs in a metal band and is passionate about he material.

I actually love the albums with Anette on them - because I don't have to look at her hideous "dancing" and total lack of integration with the rest of the band. When you watch you guys, it's like she's in a different band than the rest of you. It's clear she feels like she's "above" this work and would rather be doing something more straight-up pop. The comparison she makes with Britney and Rihanna is telling - was that the first analogy that popped to mind? Solo pop acts? Not, say, "No one can imagine Maiden going on with Bruce?" or "No one can imagine Lamb of God going on without Randy?" Not that those bands wouldn't do that if they had a situation with Nightwish - because they have a work ethic and a dedication to playing for the fans. But I'm sure Anette couldn't even name the lead singers of those bands.

And when it comes to singing many of the old songs, say , Ever Dream or Ghost Love Score, it's just a fucking travesty when Anette does it. It's just not something she's capable of doing. Fair enough, she's not trained as an opera singer, but she's in a band with a ton of opera songs in their catalog!

And now she pulls this diva shit? Fuck it. Time to move on. You guys are way better than she is.

- Still a Fan, Holding out Hope for the Day Anette is Gone

PS: Alyssa, you rock! Hope they hire you!

PPS: Or the other guest singer, both great. Both better than Anette.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Time for a New Singer'
posted by : seance.blogg.se
10/1/2012 2:12:40 AM
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Great post! You should post it on other forums as well like Nightwish forum e.t.c.


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COMMENT | She Also Won't Like..
posted by : Forest_Of_October_
9/30/2012 6:23:44 PM
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When Tarja comes back and they fire her ass because NW sales are in a slump.


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posted by : Weezil
9/30/2012 6:26:04 PM
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The Britney/Rihanna analogy doesn't work. They alone are the draw to their shows, Annette is not. People love the band, they tolerate Annette.


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COMMENT | The Show must go one
posted by : priestessofmetal
9/30/2012 6:32:10 PM
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The first thing ANY entertainer learns be it music, stage, film... The show must go on. To cop an attitude about the band playing without her is sad.

I was at the show. I will admit I was bummed Annette did not sing, but I was VERY Grateful as was my boyfriend and most every person I have talked to that Nightwish played instead of sending us home after Kamelot. Elize and Alissa did their best and I give them kudos and thumbs up for filling in, in a very tough situation.

I know Annette has missed or left in the middle of other shows and maybe Nightwish is not the band for her. I love her vocals and style and though I love Tarja too, A singer can be easily replaced. Sometimes for the better, sometimes not. Just look at Kamelot, Tommy replaced Khan and personally I think Tommy is just as good if not better than Roy but that is my opinion.

Is this the end of Annette? Hard to say but I know if I where the rest of Nightwish I'd be setting her down and say "Look Missy, the fans come first and it was what they wanted!"


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COMMENT | Stop your fucking bitching...
posted by : AdzofKALEB
9/30/2012 6:43:40 PM
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...all of you.

Bands replace members at the last minute all the time to make a show work and fulfil their obligations. The show must go on - the oldest maxim in show business. Annette ought to get over it and stay the fuck off of the internet. Nothing so low as trashing your band mates in the public domain.

Not talkign to her about it though, we've been here before. According to Nightwish this is classic Finn behaviour. No i'm not being racist. Read the Nightwish biography. Tuomas openly stresses that the problems in Nightwish are always caused through avoidance and lack of communication on contentious issues and he blames that on their culture; supposedly it is part and parcel of being Finns.
Well, they've used that excuse before - you'd think they'd have learned by now.

Let's get one thing straight though. Annette is not a replacement singer. She never stepped in for Tarja. She was hired in her own right, on her own merit after Tarja got fired for openly trashing the band in the press and blindly letting her husband fuck up the inner business workings of the whole outfit. That was tough to go through as a serious fan at the time. I wasn't surprised when she was fired. She deserved it. That should have been the end of it right there, but all her die hard followers have got to go on is lobbying for a reunion. After all, Tarja has put out nothing of worth since she got her freedom.

All credit to Annette for having the balls to take all this undeserved hate on the chin for so long. Were it not for the existence of her oh so sanctified predecessor, she'd be treated totally different.

She totally nailed the vocals at this year's Download festival. Far better than I was expecting.

I agree that her dancing and casual outfits do make her look like a runaway mum in a goth club. Then again...she's middle aged and got ...what is it...two kids? I suppose she's just being herself up there. Whether she needs to put on more of an act...I think so, but who the fuck am I to judge how she handles one of the most controversial, awkward gigs to have landed since Blaze joined Maiden?

Ah fuck this, it's late, I'm not even sure why I'm bothering right now but reading your trolling pissed me off, so have that nice, thick dose of objective judgement, you horrible little bastards.





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COMMENT | 'RE: Stop your fucking bitching...'
posted by : Mike Portnoy's Empty Tissue Box
9/30/2012 8:20:22 PM
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Are you seriously making a comparison between replacing Bruce Dickinson and replacing Tarja Somethingorother? Nightwish is alright but nowhere near the status of Iron fucking Maiden.


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posted by : bluesy73
9/30/2012 6:55:44 PM
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Far greater musicians than this girl have been replaced! Suck it up and don't make a fuss out of it or else you're going down soon!


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COMMENT | Hey Tuomas.......
posted by : Beshtia
9/30/2012 6:57:24 PM
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......it wasn't "good decision" for band to substitute Tarja.


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posted by : Deathpoetry
9/30/2012 6:57:47 PM
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fuck ... many people is out of control, I don't read the long comments.. please dont do that.

Anette just need to shut up.
it's so ironic that she start a hate against herself, now the hate against her is back!! well done anette.

"have a blog they said, will be great, they said"



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posted by : RebornInSilver
9/30/2012 7:02:25 PM
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From and outsider's perspective, (escpecially after reading the Nightwish biography) I have a real hard time believing how much of the garbage they seem to put up with from Anette since she's joined the band.
Fact: She admitted that she begged them multiples times via email to let her audition/join, since the band had reservations about her because they didn't think she could handle touring and being away from her kid.
Fact: Despite convincing them she was 100% fine with it, she had a breakdown not far into her first tour with them because she had to be away.
I'm shocked that they even let her have her own manager given what they went through with Mr. Tarja.
This girl needs to realize that she's basically a hired employee who sings songs written by Tuomas. She has zero creative input. They fired fucking Tarja Turunen for crying out loud!! What makes this girl think she's any less replaceable?? Obviously these videos proved that anyone is capable of filling in for her, even if they themselves aren't as good as Tarja (which, they're not, but you see where I'm going with this?) This band has worked very hard and dealt with a lot of shit, why should they have had to sit on their asses and disappoint their fans because their singer got sick?? They were obviously lucky to have two talented singers to help out, and Anette should be thanking all of them. She would have come out looking like a class act instead of of a diva monster.
She's a good singer, but she's not even right for Nightwish anyway.


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posted by : Megamoca coffee
9/30/2012 7:06:22 PM
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Anette should be a singer in a lounge band at the airport bar and nightwish should hire Tarja back.


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COMMENT | It wasn't up to her
posted by : Hammerlock
9/30/2012 7:08:15 PM
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It was up to us. Tuomas came out during the set break, told us what had happened, and asked by a show of hands whether we wanted the show to be cancelled or to go ahead with the fill-ins. It was nearly unanimous for playing with what they had. I, for one, was happier seeing a short, incomplete set than I would have been if they had done nothing at all.


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COMMENT | 'RE: It wasn''t up to her'
posted by : PatrickS77
10/1/2012 1:43:51 PM
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Wow! He did that? Now, that is a classy move!

So there really was no time to ask the "employee substitute singer" for permission. Really, she should just get over herself... well, now she has plenty of time to do so.


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posted by : Vix Sin
9/30/2012 7:13:22 PM
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I really like Anette, truly. I saw Nightwish in Montreal on this tour and caught them in VA during their last tour. She brings something different to the table and I've thoroughly enjoyed the last two albums Nightwish has produced.

That being said, if two adaquete singers had not been immediately available to fill in at the very last minute, I imagine they would have cancelled. Considering it wasn't until 7pm that she returned to the hospital for further treatment, cancelling at that time would have been a bad idea in my opinion. Nightwish simply tried to make the best of a bad situation. I understand that she feels she should have at least been somewhat included in the decision-making or at least had the idea run by her for an opinion, but come on...she was in the hospital. Maybe they didn't want to trouble her with all of that and wanted her to soley focus on her health.


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posted by : dew044
9/30/2012 7:32:18 PM
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Annette should understand that it's this sort of behavior that got the previous singer fired, and unlike Tarja, singers like her are a dime a dozen (as they proved that night).

I would have no objection if they fired her and found someone like Simone Simons (who says she would have no interest, but someone like her) who can pull off both styles.


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COMMENT | Is Gary Cherone available?
posted by : obi wan
9/30/2012 7:38:40 PM
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He would be way better than this cow!


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COMMENT | OMG!
posted by : Beerbreath
9/30/2012 7:39:51 PM
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fucking drama queen, and an ungrateful one too-

i would of let her pee in my mouth before i read the article, but not any more-

actually never heard a note of either of these bands, but i like to type gross stuff :)


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COMMENT | 'RE: OMG!'
posted by : munnkie
10/1/2012 6:38:42 AM
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Well, thank the Lord that you're so funny then.


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COMMENT | Nightwish
posted by : The MCP
9/30/2012 7:43:37 PM
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"I'm sorry for those of you who came to see the whole band but got something else."

I agree with her. But I guess as long as the fans had fun that's all that matters.

But I would have preferred a cancellation and postponement so I could eventually see the band I paid to see.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Nightwish'
posted by : PatrickS77
10/1/2012 1:46:18 PM
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Oh, and what if it wouldn't have been possible to postpone and you only got a cancellation? Would that have been better?


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COMMENT | Olzon owes her bandmates and Kamelot a huge apology!
posted by : VonMeister
9/30/2012 7:45:11 PM
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Looks like the demon-twat in Ms. Olzon is coming out.

Maybe she checked it out on YouTube and saw herself being totally upstage by a couple of considerate women who did as well as she did and didn't even know the g'damn lyrics!

Instead of being shitty in her blog pissing on her bandmates, she should have thanked them for rescuing the show and not violating their contract with the venue (leading to possible legal troubles)

I read a bit of Olzon's blog and she sounds like she's become quite a whiny little diva. She's damn lucky to have gotten the gig and could show a helluva lot more gratitude!

Bravo to Elize and Alissa! I became a huge Kamelot fan after seeing them open for Nightwish in KC, and now I'm an even more devoted fan. Now THAT's a class act! Pay attention Anette.


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posted by : Sadistikexekution
9/30/2012 7:57:21 PM
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Elize is hotter anyway.


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COMMENT | Two Words
posted by : Evil_Twin
9/30/2012 8:27:19 PM
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Get over yourself bitch!


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COMMENT | -l-
posted by : I Live In My Mom's Basement
9/30/2012 8:35:21 PM
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I would blast her brownclam like a rabid chimp


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9/30/2012 9:07:00 PM
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Yet another reason why I can't get into this band. Drama is always the order of the day for this group, from this, to the "open letter", to the name change of the album/movie, blah blah blah... having to wade past the storm of press releases and ultra-diva-mania makes for a buildup that the music doesn't come close to living up to.

Just play, for crying out loud!

As for the first single from Imaginarioumagon or whatever the hell it's called, tell me the main riff doesn't sound like a slowed down version of Metallica's "Blackened"...


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COMMENT | fire her ass
posted by : TheSpaceforthis
9/30/2012 9:11:27 PM
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just fire her, she is NOT that good.

Anyway, Alissa looks like a mortal kombat character, thats one hot girl.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : sanyr
9/30/2012 9:18:37 PM
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> Rihanna wouldn't ask Britney Spears to sing for her if she was ill.

Bad analogy. Rihanna IS the act on the ticket, not part of the act.

A band has the flexibility to plug in replacement parts if needed to keep the show going. Slayer has done this with Jeff Hanneman out. James Hetfield's guitar duties were delegated for a few weeks after he got cooked alive on stage.

You are just the singer in a band, a replacement for the diva who got fired before you came along. You are not so irreplaceable that the entire show stops when you get sick.


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COMMENT | fire Olzon 2!!!!
posted by : Braindeed
9/30/2012 9:25:54 PM
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listen o this diva wannabe, she was the reason for cancelled shows and tours some years ago, sometines she leaves stage cos she´s too EMOtional, and she gets pissed off bacuase she´s replaced without being asked??
she was sick and vomiting, and guess she couldnt give a proper answer is asked, plus Nightwish is a band, in fact Tuomas´ band like it or not, so is US fans did wait so long to see the band and this chick gets sick I believe it was the right call to try to replace her with competent singers... Epica did it with Amanda Sommerville, nobody did complain cis it was in benefit of the fans, this girl thinks Nightwish is her, or a solo band.. well its not, Tarja was difficult to be repalced, you´re not


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COMMENT | #
posted by : Traumor
9/30/2012 9:43:43 PM
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I'm all for firing Olzon, but do you really think Tarja would touch this situation with a ten-foot pole after the drama that led to her being fired in the first place? Tuomas is pretty much an egomaniac.


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COMMENT | 'RE: #'
posted by : rac1965
9/30/2012 10:26:57 PM
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So is Tarja, she is a big time drama queen just like Annette.


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COMMENT | ...
posted by : AngryJohnny
9/30/2012 9:49:54 PM
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I'm going to risk the mindless troll persona and just say it: Now is the time, eliminate her. Jump on the momentum and sack her, bring back the band I was a huge fan of for so long or at least something that resembles it a little more closely. Anette doesn't fit with the band and comes off pretty insecure that they had a couple singers available (either of whom would be a much better match) to get them through a tough situation and give something to the fans. I can only imagine the consistent opinionated blurbs Anette has to deal with from fans like myself who don't approve of her position in the group, which is unfortunate as up until this she's never given any public indication I can remember of being a "diva"/etc, but the writing is on the wall....two albums and several years later I just don't understand how she's viewed as a good frontwoman for the band. It's funny she brings up Brittney Spears, because I've made mention more than once that's the kind of material she should be singing, not a prog/symphonic epic style group like Nightwish.


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COMMENT | Calm down
posted by : IndustrialClef
9/30/2012 9:59:11 PM
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You can't blame her for feeling a little pissed off. Just so people know, Anette is pretty much a member of the band. She is not a hired employee. Tarja was a member of the band too. Until Tuomas decided, as the main man of the band, that the band couldn't work with her. I think Anette just felt a little 'betrayed'. Yes, the band tried to make the best of a situation. Anette will get over it and see the big picture a little later. She was probably pretty emotional at that point when she was writing it. It is not professional but it's human. Anette has always been a singer and she has a right to do whatever she wants with her career even if it be a solo project. Just like Tarja had a right to do things outside of Nightwish. She is not a 'diva'. I don't think Tarja was a 'diva' either. A band is not suppose to feel like as though every member is a hired employee. Nightwish isn't like the majority of Marilyn Manson; hired employees. Anette has faced a lot of stress and I guess the media makes her feel like she is a hired employee and so that gig with the other singers probably made her feel a little insecure. If they could fire Tarja, they could fire her. It's so easy for people to sit back and criticize her. She has worked hard as well. Maybe she isn't the most talented and great vocalist out there but neither was Tarja. Majority of people here don't know much of the concept of vocals to do any critical work on either Anette's or Tarja's voice. Anette and the rest of a band should have a say in decisions. Even if Tuomas decides to go on with the show, he should have at least asked her. Perhaps, Anette wouldn't have minded so much is she was ask. I think she is just feeling lately as though she is not a member of the band. Feeling a little insecure. Which isn't right. If Nightwish don't want to pull another drama with the singer, they should perhaps listen to her at times. That is what was the problem that happened back with Tarja. I think some people need to stop being so judgmental and think about it. And stop using every opportunity to bitch about a decision made years ago. Get over it. Even the hardcore Tarja fans have moved on. TARJA HAS MOVED ON AND IS PRETTY DAMN HAPPY.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Calm down'
posted by : rac1965
9/30/2012 10:29:18 PM
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In reality its Tuomas's band and he doesnt have to ask anyone anything.


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COMMENT | I am disappointed in her.
posted by : HammerOfAstraea
9/30/2012 10:15:51 PM
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Is this the beginning of Tarja Part 2?


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COMMENT | RE: rac1965
posted by : IndustrialClef
9/30/2012 10:59:22 PM
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Of course, Tuomas didn't HAVE to. It wasn't a legal obligation. However, if wishes to maintain positive relations with his band members, he should. Managers, leaders etc. do things they don't have to do in order to maintain a smoother operation with the people they are managing or looking after. There is a fine line between legal and ethical obligations. He did nothing wrong with his decision or what he did. He did what was best. But it could have been BETTER if he notified her. Simple things you learn while studying Business Management. Why not keep your team members happy? Happy members work better. Majority of bands' issues stem from lack of communication and simple management skills. It is always good to make you feel your teams members have a say even if they technically don't. It keeps from little problems like this happening that will contribute to even bigger ones. Hence that of what happen with Tarja. Listen to your singer, your guitarist etc. Ask them here and there on what is their opinion on the decisions you will make. It just makes it all the more smoother. What is better? Making a decision and not consulting a member, things go alright with the member left disgruntled. Or making a decisions and consulting a member, things go smoothly all the way. He has the liberty to do take both options but one is clearly a little better than the other. It is all just simple ethics and niceties. Best way to operate is to look ahead for minor issues and stop them from happening. That is all. Tuomas is dealing with people with different personalities, not robots or machines. That is all that I am saying.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : Braindeed
9/30/2012 11:04:51 PM
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and what is she said "NO"?? cancel the show? it´s his band, more alike he had to tell her he was going to use replacement singers... but was she able to have a good reaction considering she´s almost EMO and was sick, vomiting and with fever? I guess asking her wasnt the best idea


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COMMENT | Nightwish IS a solo act
posted by : Stc139
9/30/2012 11:08:18 PM
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... but Anette is not the solo artist. Tuomas is.

1) He makes the vast majority of the "band's" profits and leaves the others to right for the rest
2) He HAS called other band members "hired" at time (for reference, read the official Nightwish book which he okayed)
3) Has sole control of who stays and who goes.

To put this in terms that Anette might Understand. Rihanna won't concel a concert when her backing vocalist is sick.


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COMMENT | No Bill Ward?
posted by : theredpill
10/1/2012 12:23:06 AM
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NO SABBATH!


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COMMENT | 'RE: No Bill Ward?'
posted by : theredpill
10/1/2012 12:27:36 AM
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You didn't see Ozzy getting pissed when Rob Halford sang for Sabbath on an Ozzfest 2004 date when Ozzy got sick.


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COMMENT | Fans?
posted by : frank_the_poet
10/1/2012 12:47:45 AM
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The fans wanted to see a show and Nightwish gave them one. How is that wrong? When Kiss can do a show without Paul Stanley I`m sure Nightwish can do one without Olzon. To be honest: This is just the first step in bringing Tarja back. Journalists have butchered her latest solo effort. Even Classic Rock Magazine said that was "nails scracthing blackboards". You did a great show when I went to see Nightwish and I liked the album…but now you just kicked yourself out of Nightwish. Great move...


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COMMENT | #
posted by : saskmetal
10/1/2012 12:48:15 AM
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Elize proved to many fans new and old that she could take the reigns and make nightwish one of the best live bands in the world, with a little work and practice. She winged it and sang better than Anette usually does. She has better stage presence and looks the part more. Anette struggles to hit most of the high notes live. Its quite embarrasing watching YouTube vids of older song live. Her stage moves are silly and more in line for a pop singer, which she was and is. I loved dark passion play, but how much of her vocals were fixed with studio magic, coaching, and numerous takes? I hope tuomas reads these posts and cosiders making the change that needs to be done for the future of nw. And also go back to being a bit less symphonic and soundtrack like imaginaerum.
P.s. Anette let herself get fat. That in itself is a no no when you are a symbol of beauty and feminity and sex for millions of men.


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posted by : Lord Shadowhall
10/1/2012 2:00:23 AM
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If there are a good replacement nearby, then use him/ her. Don't fuck around and think there's pride involved.


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COMMENT | Hubris?
posted by : seance.blogg.se
10/1/2012 2:06:46 AM
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Nightwish with Tarja was a unique band with their own style, mix between metal and opera.
I almost lost interest completely when they hired pop singer Anette that lacks Tarja's vocals capacity and stage presence.

I would really liked to have seen this Nightwish show with Elize and Alissa.. they are by far better singers and has better stage presence.

Time to let Anette go so she can make her pop solo album and take back Tarja or singer with similar capacity like Simone Simons.

I love the Agonist so I don´t want Alissa to quit to join Nightwish but Elize would be great in Nightwish.


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COMMENT | #
posted by : seventh77
10/1/2012 2:18:36 AM
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so mainstream i dont bother


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COMMENT | WOW!
posted by : Norsk_Arisk_Nu-Metal
10/1/2012 2:32:42 AM
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I've never liked this band but this Elize girl did a great job of performing "Nemo." The original version is unlistenable because of Tarja's horrible accent.


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posted by : juanneman
10/1/2012 3:10:35 AM
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Not that I care much about this band, but these statements do not do a big favour to her.


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COMMENT | Haha...
posted by : shifter
10/1/2012 4:11:41 AM
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"Rihanna wouldn't ask Britney Spears to sing for her if she was ill."

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...now, that comparison is hilarious. Haha. Sorry Anette, but you are just a part of this band. Nightwish existed before you were a part of it. This is not the "Anette Olzon" band, you are "just" Tarja's replacement in a band that became famous long before anyone even knew your name. Calm down. The band played for the fans, I think that's a nice move. Other bands did the same thing as well in the past. That was just a very special show for anyone who attended...


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COMMENT | That why most chicks don't belong in the metal world
posted by : hohoho
10/1/2012 8:27:31 AM
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Chicks have periods and Diva syndrome. I'd say they should hire Jimmy Somerville. Perfect fit.
Annette should team up with Tarja and Geoff Tate as an all chick cabaret show.


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COMMENT | Wow...
posted by : wickedgames
10/1/2012 10:47:59 AM
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I have read through all of the comments on here... Seriously, someone even said a pretty face should be seen, not heard? What in the world does most of these comments have anything to do with musical performance? There's two sides to every story, and without a doubt this situation could've been handled better from both parts. but to start talking about this being the end of Anette's career in Nightwish, or to start bashing her as an artist, that is going a bit overboard. She was ill, she was not asked or let in on the decision that was made, I can only imagine how hurtful that must've felt. At the same time, the rest of the band had a tough decision to make, to either cancel, or to go on with the show. They decided to go on with the show and bring in a replacement for a member in the band without conferring with Anette. That is what lead to her comment, which might not have been to smart considering the response that is surfacing online... I like Anette, she is a great artist and I love her work with Nightwish. It is up to each and every one to make a choice whether they feel she should be a part of Nightwish or not, but she did after all measure up to the standard that Tuomas has set for the band. So to call her all sort of names and say she has nothing going for her, that is really not a good argument to bring in. If you don't like Nightwish, that is fine too, but then wouldn't it be better to go comment and use time on a band that you do like and do support rather than bashing some band that you couldn't care less about? I wish Anette all the best, and a speedy recovery. She's done an amazing job on the latest album, as do the rest of the band. Anette and Tarja are not enemies, so why in the world do everyone try to make them out to be. Tarja is a great singer, Anette is a great singer. Period.


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posted by : Neglect
10/1/2012 11:31:55 AM
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Well, if there's anything to be learned here it's that unlike the fans, prolific bands & band members don't enjoy the privilege of being able to blog or post negative /personal things having to do with said band. It'll wind up all over the net and they'll find themselves nailed to the wall, as we're seeing here.
There are a lot of musicians & bands that possess a more 'down to earth' persona because they resist the urge to "share," keep things like this within the band and resolve it away from the media. I also know of a few bands that had ample opportunity to bash ex-members, but didn't. It's unfortunate that public figures can't vent, but it's part of the business. Keep it professional and always take the high road. What you may write during a moment of anger, hurt, etc. will haunt you forever.


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COMMENT | James Hetfield
posted by : Sean135
10/1/2012 2:45:53 PM
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was replaced for a show. Immediately making her point invalid. End thread.


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COMMENT | An Open Letter to Elize Ryd
posted by : woxlfpuppy
10/1/2012 10:39:05 PM
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Ms. Ryd...

If Toumas Holopainen offers you a job- take it.

I saw Nightwish a couple weeks back in Worcester. I clearly remember you from your performance with Kamelot. The next time I see Nightwish I- and obviously quite a few other people -want to see you as the front woman.

You take this band to the level we all know it can be. You proved it in these vidoes, that night in Denver.

Take the job.


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