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LIMP BIZKIT Guitarist: 'There's No Money In Selling Records Anymore, But Making Them Is Cheap' - Oct. 6, 2012
Niclas Müller-Hansen of Sweden's Metalshrine recently conducted an interview with LIMP BIZKIT guitarist and BLACK LIGHT BURNS mainman Wes Borland. A couple of excerpts from the chat follow below.

Metalshrine: LIMP BIZKIT [has] got a new record deal. How do you feel about the music industry today? I read that the album "Significant Other" sold about 600,000 copies in its first week, but these days if you sell that in three years, that's pretty damn good.

Wes Borland: It is really different. Here we go! Let's start the engine. The way things are now, there's no money in selling records anymore, but making them is very cheap. The scale has tipped. Now anybody can make a record for nothing and they can do it at home and it sounds great. Because of that, and the Internet, we now have this oversaturation of music everywhere. Some of it's great, and there are people that have made records probably for free at home, and they would never have been able to put anything out before. You have all this great music, but you also have all this shitty music that people are putting out. Boat anchor music. It's really hard to find that good music. It's like a needle in a haystack. Thank god there's Spotify and stuff, because sometimes those things will send you to other things that are similar to what you're listening to. You have some sort of navigation through the mess of stuff, and I think it's getting better. The scales have tipped, and everyone's trying figure out how to deal with it after the fact. Things like Spotify are great and they are going to, at some point, start providing income to artists again so they can keep making records, but as of right now it's impossible for people to sell records, unless you're a titan like the Lady Gagas of the world. It's sad, because a lot of people aren’t going to be able to afford to make music their lives and make that second follow-up or third record. How many more records are we gonna have that make bands into legends? There's probably a LED ZEPPELIN out there that just the carpet pulled out from under their feet because they don't have time or money to go on tour anymore, so all the things they could've been in their career are gonna be gone because they have to wash dishes to pay the rent. That's the biggest loss, people not being able to afford to make music. We'll see what happens. Maybe it'll start happening to where they can afford to just devote their lives to music. BLACK LIGHT BURNS records are selling like shit, but somehow everyone seems to have heard it. I get people saying, "Oh, the record's amazing!" all day long and people who tell me they love the record, but they haven't bought it. That's where we are. No one's buying the records and that's even worse for other bands. It's a scary time, but I have some kinda hope that they were just headed through a valley and there will be a peak, that makes sense for everyone. You can all get music for way less than you would have been paying for it in the past and we can all somehow make money from record sales again. Not the amount we were making, but enough so people can make a career out of it. That would be great.

Metalshrine: Definitely. What's the status of LIMP BIZKIT then? I read you were in Miami recording.

Wes Borland: We've been doing several different things. We've been in Miami. We're on Cash Money now and we're the first rock band on that label, which is crazy. That in itself is just weird, but in a good way. It totally makes no sense and it makes total sense at the same time. That's been going great and we've been doing songs with their producers down in Miami. I've been working at Fred's [Durst, vocals] house a lot, playing guitar and writing songs with him. I'm actually starting to write some vocals on LIMP BIZKIT songs. It happened the other day, which is a new development and strange and good at the same time. We've been doing some band stuff in a few different studios, but we're getting ready to go back into a studio in October and hash out a bunch of the demos that we have right now. We're shooting a video tomorrow (September 7) for a song we did with some Cash Money people. It'll be interesting.

Metalshrine: Are you looking at a record release later this year or early next year?

Wes Borland: I think early next year. We're gonna actually be finishing it, hopefully, in October and then it's highly doubtful we'll get it out by the end of the year.

Metalshrine: Is it gonna be "classic" LIMP BIZKIT music or are you gonna take it in a whole other direction?

Wes Borland: I think it'll be a mixture of both. There's gonna be some classic LIMP BIZKIT stuff and some stuff that’s more musically rock and a bit more experimental and there's stuff that's gonna be super Cash Money club-type stuff. It sounds all over the place, but when I think of what we've done in the past, it's always been like a mix of pop elements with rock and some songs being completely rock and some songs have been completely hip hop. It's really the same. It's the same thing with different players involved.

Metalshrine: You mentioned the covers album and that it's hard listening to it today, do you feel the same with some LIMP BIZKIT stuff? How do you look at old stuff?

Wes Borland: I've heard the old LIMP BIZKIT stuff so much and most of the time I won't listen to a record after it has come out. Especially when we start playing the songs live and songs live tend to change a little bit. Sometimes it's weird to go back and go, "Oh, so that's how it is on the record!" because we do it live like this now. I don't really regret anything that I've done. I don't really regret the covers album. I wish the production had been a little bit better, but you know what? Fuck it! [laughs] We did it and it's important that I learned the lesson, because I learned a lot even though it didn't come out the way I intended. It was a good release, for the most part.

Read the entire interview from Metalshrine.

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posted by : Double Shit-Talkin Jive
10/6/2012 5:38:46 PM
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Look at that pic!

This guy must have been the main inspiration to create Pepe Le Pew

http://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/gallery/files/9/7/7/1/pepe.jpg


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posted by : Mindless Insanities
10/6/2012 5:50:16 PM
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Looks like he just walked out of the gay leather store after his mastercard was rejected.


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posted by : obscured by clouds
10/6/2012 5:58:47 PM
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Let me count the ways that limp bizkit sucks.

1, no never mind I really don't care.


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COMMENT | There's no money in selling records anymore
posted by : YJMFAN
10/6/2012 6:05:22 PM
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Because you are giving it away for free. Really bad business move for musicians, they are brainwashed to "give it away and they will come in droves". Bad bad advice.


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posted by : MetalMosher665
10/6/2012 6:14:13 PM
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literally the worst band in music who just sold millions of records while real metal band sell 1,000 and never make a dime.

It's not fair


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posted by : Yngwie Malmsteen Nude
10/6/2012 7:19:58 PM
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Does anyone remember when this guy left limp bizkit, people ranting about how good the guy was and how great it was that he disconnected from fred durst?

I remember when people thought he was an asset based on the fact he disconnected from limp bizkit.


He is not metal. He is not talented. The guy is a loser, and I would not be surprised if he BEGGED dear freddy for his job back.


All of the hot topic dwellers who think that "Black Light Burns" is an underground/cult sensation or something can..... Well, now go listen to Wes with limp bizkit. Real talent and balls. Yeah - right.


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posted by : evil_twin_is_a_smelly_vagina
10/6/2012 7:41:44 PM
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I heard he was looking for a chocolate starfish.


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COMMENT | Dude looks like a..................
posted by : w.a.m.
10/6/2012 7:59:27 PM
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.............70's porn star.


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COMMENT | big fat box of shit
posted by : MadetheSame
10/6/2012 8:27:23 PM
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Nice moustache asshole!


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COMMENT | Remember
posted by : ryan05
10/6/2012 8:46:32 PM
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Remember when they used to be good? I don't....


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COMMENT | Let me count the ways that limp bizkit sucks.
posted by : Itwalksamongus
10/6/2012 10:31:24 PM
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1. All of them.

Hey Wes - it's 2012. Wake the fuck up. You got rich under the old system, and now that that system is gone you whimper like a school girl who went to the beach and got sand stuck in her pee hole.

You never hear young musicians bitch about this. They were born into today's musical landscape and conduct themselves accordingly.

Old dried-up drama queens like Wes Borland need to be taken out and shot.


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COMMENT | Because of Limp Biskit
posted by : whippingwhale
10/6/2012 10:44:01 PM
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Im ashamed to wear a red baseball cap.When I do,people laugh at me,call me either Poochy,or even worse,Fred Durst!At least I dont wear it backwards,or break things,or even rap in my Metal!Please just go away!


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posted by : hell666
10/7/2012 12:18:04 AM
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These bozos are as talentless as and suck as hard as korn, slipsnot and papa cockroach.


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COMMENT | The LaZer Band's Bass Player...
posted by : Black waterPark
10/7/2012 12:38:03 AM
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also needs to be taken out and shot.

Anyone else see the irony of the oldest fucking sand filled twat on the planet calling a guy a quarter of his age "dried up".

Either Itwalks has gone totally senile, or screaming Japanese fans really do like fossils.


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COMMENT | agree that Wes Borland only looked good by default........
posted by : Self_Science
10/7/2012 12:44:09 AM
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and that was ultimately the issue with the nu-metal bands really. Most of them were pretty lousy musicians, so the ones that were half decent really stood out from the pack. But standards really fell through the floor then.

The other thing i can't stand about nu-metal musicians is how they pretend that their 'rebellion' against the traditional metal image was actually conscious and driven by pure intent. Has anyone seen the nu-metal segment of Metal Revolution? It really blew me away how a poser like Fafara, whose idea of metal in the mid 90's was limited to trendy U.S bands like Pantera and White Zombie, has now retroactively assigned a 'role' for himself in furthering the cause of metal. It was piss easy to 'rebel' against metal back then anyway, because it was stigmatized and dead in the mainstream. There was really nothing to rebel against.

I liked a few nu-metal bands, but they absolutely were not rebels in any way shape or form.


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posted by : quigonkick
10/7/2012 1:24:04 AM
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Why the comment deletions? That dude was HILARIOUS!

@Self_Science: Whatever your opinion of Fafara is, there are a few things to consider:

1) Why in the world would he be considered a poser? I wasn't a fan of CC (though I did give them a few listens), but the man's work in DevilDriver gets better and better, IMHO. That band works harder than most out there. Do you think he's "posing" for a large paycheck... since metal is such a cash cow nowadays? Huh?

2) The dude is a standup guy. His helping his sister with his song to help with her medical costs offsets anything he's ever done that is dickish (not that I can recall anything he has done that I consider dickish, but I leave that option open for those who I do not personally know... the benefit of the doubt). Dez has my respect, and it's going to take him doing something really far out there to even budge that.

3) You'd think that with the relatively small amount of dough bands make today - earned ONLY through brutal stretches of touring - that "posing" would get old after a while. Especially doing so since 1997. Especially considering his face is tatted up thereby significantly narrowing his career options. I can't think of one person not in an institution who believes in committing their lives to reaping diminished returns during a near-economic depression, with ZERO job security in exchange for appreciation from a few thousand people and maybe the month's rent. You just don't do that kind of life for an extended amount of time if you are in it for anything but love of the game.

You don't have to love the guy or his art, but labeling Dez as "poser" was on the table 15 years ago, but certainly not now. Not with his track record. Pick someone else.


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posted by : Self_Science
10/7/2012 1:40:49 AM
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My point is that he is actively trying to rewrite his own history, and his place within the broader metal narrative. THAT is the problem. THAT is what makes him a poser to me.

He was not a metal fan back in those days, so he couldn't have been 'consciously' rebelling against the traditional image and sound of metal, which, btw, was very trendy to do back then, esp in America.

If would have been far more 'rebellious' if Fafara dressed and looked the way he did now back in 1997.


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posted by : Mike Portnoy's Empty Tissue Box
10/7/2012 3:44:22 AM
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It's fucking pathetic how these people censor this website. Those who run ths site are the very antithesis of what metal is really about. They'll simultaneously delete this post and prove me right at the same time.


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posted by : H8ters
10/8/2012 1:30:10 AM
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There's ways around it...


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posted by : Mike Portnoy's Empty Tissue Box
10/7/2012 3:58:43 AM
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Bori is no better than Tipper Gore. Go ahead, Bori. Delete my post and prove my point. You know fuck all about what being metal really is.


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posted by : Sadistikexekution
10/7/2012 4:15:03 AM
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Limp Dickshit invented sucking hairy donkey balls.


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posted by : FeedingSharksTones
10/7/2012 8:51:33 AM
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Hahahahaha so much hate.


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COMMENT | The worst band of all time
posted by : RiotAct666
10/7/2012 10:12:31 AM
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Fred Durst is the biggest poser ever! Screw this band & their 12 year old fans!!!!


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posted by : Leonard Rockstein
10/7/2012 2:08:47 PM
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So who are in Limp Bizkit anyway, these days? Weren't Lethal and Otto fired?

Hack Bizkit!


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posted by : quigonkick
10/7/2012 2:29:47 PM
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Self_Science

I gotcha. Very civil reply. I like that.

Anyone remember the post on an Annihilator thread from Jeff Waters's former bro-in-law? Dude was not thrilled. That post disappeared faster than the thought of a balanced budget in Washington DC.

We're baited with null stories simply to acquire hits, then when the water gets too hot the posts get pulled. Which is it?

And Backstreet Merch has some strong ties to this site as well.

We'll see if this post stays put.


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COMMENT | Mr Borland...
posted by : Buck_Magnum
10/7/2012 3:01:23 PM
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you are right. The music industry has changed. Fewer people are buying music. You've already made a ton of money with Limp Bizkit. SHUT...UP...


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COMMENT | If anyone has less credibility than Fred Durst, it's this bozo.
posted by : foraeonspast
10/7/2012 3:25:39 PM
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One year from now he'll be trashing the rest of the band.

Two years from now he'll be crawling back on his hands and knees to rejoin the band.


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COMMENT | soooo
posted by : eeyore88
10/7/2012 4:08:01 PM
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are Limp Bizkit and BLB still touring together this fall or was that another premature tour announcement? seems like it...


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