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Last Updated: May 18, 2013 7:15 PM




BLACK SABBATH Bassist Talks New Album, Upcoming Tour In Video Interview - Jan. 25, 2013
Frankie DiVita, radio personality at Southern California's 96.7 KCAL Rocks, conducted an interview with BLACK SABBATH bassist Geezer Butler at this year's NAMM (National Association Of Music Merchants) show at the Anaheim Convention Center in Anaheim, California. You can now watch the chat below. A few excerpts from the chat follow.

On BLACK SABBATH guitarist Tony Iommi's cancer treatment:

Butler: "Tony's responding really well. He's been having his treatment now for 14 months, and he's really responding well to it. So he'll be alright. You can never stop Tony."

On the incident at SABBATH singer Ozzy Osbourne's home in Beverly Hills earlier this month which resulted in Ozzy burning his hand:

Butler: "He's doing alright. He burnt his hand when he was putting the fire out. He's got it in a plaster cast."

On BLACK SABBATH's new album title, "13":

Butler: "Well, it was sort of a temporary name, that we had something to refer to the album as, and I think it kind of stuck. But I don't know if that's gonna be the final title or not. [It was named partly because it's coming out in the year 2013] and originally, we were gonna put 13 tracks on the album. We ended up doing 16 tracks, so I'm not sure what's gonna on the album and what isn't."

On the recording process for "13":

Butler: "This is the first time we've done an album together sober; none of us have been drinking or doing drugs or anything, so it's been more professional in that way. And we've stuck to a schedule every day. We'd go in at one o'clock and finish at six, just to keep everything fresh. Five hours a day — that's it."

On the inspiration for the new BLACK SABBATH album:

Butler: "It's sort of got the feel of the first three albums — back to the basic rawness. And the lyrics are very… They're just about life…. Life and death and doom and everything else. You get Prozac with every album."

On BLACK SABBATH's touring plans:

Butler: "We start in New Zealand and Australia in April, and then we do Japan. Then we do album promotion in June and then USA in July and August. Then South America and then Europe … [The USA trek] will be strictly [a] BLACK SABBATH [tour and not an Ozzfest run]."

On having RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE's Brad Wilk play on the new BLACK SABBATH album:

Butler: "That was [producer] Rick Rubin's idea, 'cause he wanted to have… He didn't want a typical heavy metal drummer on the album, 'cause it's not really a heavy metal album; it's more of a rock… heavy rock. And Rick Rubin suggested having Brad, 'cause he's more in the vein of [original BLACK SABBATH drummer] Bill Ward. So we jammed with him and he sounded great with the stuff, so we went with that … It's sort of back to the way we used to be in the '70s; that's his feel — sort of a jazzy, bluesy feel to him, and that's the way the music is now. It was great working with him."

On who the touring drummer will be:

Butler: "We haven't decided yet."

BLACK SABBATH first LP with Ozzy Osbourne since 1978 will be released in June via Vertigo/Universal Republic in the U.S. and Vertigo in all other territories.

Ward in May 2012 announced again that he was declining to join his former bandmates for its scheduled 2012 dates, as well as the recording of a new album, due to a contractual dispute.



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posted by : Satsumi No Hado
1/25/2013 6:23:57 AM
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No Bill N.....aw fuck it, make a great record with Brad, wish it was Bill, think we all do..but at this point I just want a solid record that will maybe harken us back to the glory days of Sabbath..


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posted by : bravo
1/25/2013 6:27:03 AM
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No Ian Gillan = No Black Sabbath


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posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/25/2013 7:17:21 AM
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No Ozzy Osbourne = No Deep Purple


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posted by : mouthinhook
1/25/2013 8:30:50 AM
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no clufetos = no black sabbath


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posted by : tatersalad8498
1/25/2013 9:01:27 AM
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no Dennis Stratton = no Iron Maiden


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COMMENT | 'RE: Stick a fork in it'
posted by : Evil_Twin
1/25/2013 9:31:06 AM
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No Idiots = No Blabbermouth


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Stick a fork in it'''
posted by : loser
1/25/2013 9:32:40 AM
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... no al atkins = no ac/dc ...


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posted by : Stiltskin
1/25/2013 11:11:54 AM
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No condoms = Too many dickheads


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posted by : I am FULLY LOADED
1/25/2013 11:36:57 AM
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no Ray Gillen, no Sabbath!


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posted by : hell666
1/25/2013 6:32:52 AM
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No Sergio Galli = No Platinum Blonde


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posted by : RiotAct666
1/25/2013 9:17:52 AM
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No Tony Iommi = No Rainbow


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COMMENT | Crap Sabbath!!!
posted by : danman75
1/25/2013 6:53:32 AM
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The most overrated band in the world - Crap Sabbath!!!

Ticket sales on their Australian tour have been mediocre - two arena shows - second still on sale after months.

Kiss - almost triple the amount for cost of ticket and sold two stadium shows. Front floor at $500 a pop and all the meet and greet packages at $1500 sold out in minutes.

Sabbath are overrated!


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COMMENT | 'RE: Crap Sabbath!!!'
posted by : Iommi77
1/25/2013 8:53:55 AM
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Hey, a pop fan on Blabbermouth.

Kiss made some great hard rock songs early on, and had a lot of pop rock hits later on. They are co headlining with Motley Crue, so sales double right there.

I wouldn't argue that Kiss are more 'popular' than Sabbath, but Britney Spears is probably still more popular than Sabbath. Your post is off topic and idiotic. Fuck off.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Crap Sabbath!!!'
posted by : Stiltskin
1/25/2013 11:24:41 AM
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Happy for you!

To bad that KISS have mediocre sales in Europe this year and that Co headlining shit with Motley didnt go down well at the box office in North America.

By the way, you have shit taste.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PZD4qTjbx4
Have fun =)


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COMMENT | 'RE: Crap Sabbath!!!'
posted by : mranthrope
1/25/2013 11:29:39 AM
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I would think you would be ashamed to post something so clueless about music.


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posted by : MetalPriestFan
1/25/2013 6:56:56 AM
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Why is Rick Rubin producing this?


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posted by : Iommi77
1/25/2013 8:59:44 AM
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I really doubt that he is. While he'll get the final credit/paycheque, and did his usual 'pretend it's your glory days era, what would you do next' hollywood fairytale story speech at the start of the sessions, the main overseers of quality here will be Tony's longtime right hand man/producer/engineer/collaborator Mike Exeter (also worked with Judas Priest), Tony himself, an experienced producer of Sabbath and others, and Geezer.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: #'''
posted by : Iommi77
1/25/2013 9:01:00 AM
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Rubins team were surely around to help also


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posted by : mesmerex
1/25/2013 7:01:12 AM
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This is gonna be great, you know it.


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posted by : Evil_Twin
1/25/2013 10:44:58 AM
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Have you listened to Psycho Man lately?


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posted by : JHill
1/25/2013 1:59:55 PM
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I didn't love Psycho Man either, but a lot has changed since that came out. It's not the late 90's anymore, and I think Tony and Geezer will rise to the occasion on this. I even think Brad Wilk will be good. The only one I worry about is Ozzy.


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posted by : aztec
1/25/2013 1:51:52 PM
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" Rick Rubin suggested Brad because he is more in the vein of Bill Ward" yeah it's gonna be great..just great.


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COMMENT | So....
posted by : Wronginfo
1/25/2013 7:03:22 AM
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... here's hoping nothing (Sharon, health, Ozzy going nuts, etc.) messes this up and we actually get the tour this summer. Would like to see Iommi playing the classic riffs one more time live.


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COMMENT | Not a heavy metal album a hard rock album?
posted by : goldstar
1/25/2013 7:06:01 AM
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that what Geezer said, now im worried


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COMMENT | 'RE: Not a heavy metal album a hard rock album?'
posted by : bongwarrior
1/25/2013 7:25:13 AM
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So you don't like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath then ?


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: Not a heavy metal album a hard rock album?'''
posted by : Iommi77
1/25/2013 9:05:13 AM
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Yeah, Tony recently also said it was leaning more toward the hard rock vibe than flat out metal, which is cryptic. SBS had softer and more basic hard rock, as did the other albums after it especially, but even those albums less 'metallic' than the first 4 still had 2, 3, or 4 really heavy/epic metal songs. 16 songs on offer, let's hope they've catered to all facets of Sabbath history.


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COMMENT | 'RE: Not a heavy metal album a hard rock album?'
posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/25/2013 9:41:00 AM
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I think what he means is that it won't necessarily be what most people consider metal because it will have more of a blues/jazz influence than anything they have done since the old Sabbath days


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posted by : Evil_Twin
1/25/2013 7:09:07 AM
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They could have recorded a final album with the ORIGINAL BLACK SABBATH and they chose money instead. The rest of you can say "no big deal" if you want, I think it's a travesty. They will never get another penny from me!

11/11/11 my ass!


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posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/25/2013 7:31:25 AM
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I'm sure they will all end up in the poor house without your money. Bill chose not to sign the contract because it wasn't full time, the band wanted to use him less because his health was apparently affecting his playing


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: #'''
posted by : Evil_Twin
1/25/2013 7:59:58 AM
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Wow, you must be an "insider". Then explain to me why they did the press conference if they were so concerned about his health. Explain to me why they're still using Ozzy who can't sing in key to save his life and Tony who has cancer. Explain to me why they claim they didn't know Bill had an issue with his contract. Explain to me why they claimed his financial demands were "outrageous" when we all know damn well he was offered way less than the others. It's about time we got some answers from someone who really knows what he's talking about!

And my money may not make a difference. But it's money they won't get to spend. And if more people had a backbone instead of taking whatever they can get, we would be getting the original Black Sabbath reunion album we were promised!


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posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/25/2013 9:42:22 AM
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Bill Ward himself was recently quoted as saying "it was all or nothing" while talking about it!!


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posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/25/2013 9:49:49 AM
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And yes I'll explain it. They had the press conferance because they were confident Bill would sign the contract. Ozzy singing on stage is far less strenuous then a man in his mid 60's beating the hell out of a drum kit, especially considering Bill has had a heart attack. When Iommi 1st had canciously doing er they canceled the tour dates did they not ? he's obvbetter now.


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COMMENT | 'RE: ''RE: ''''RE: ''''''''RE: ''''''''''''''''RE: #'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/25/2013 9:51:50 AM
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Sorry my keyboard messed up. I meant to say when Iommi 1st had cancer they did cancel the dates, but obviously he's well enough to perform now.


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posted by : Evil_Twin
1/25/2013 10:53:07 AM
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Thank you for clearing up that you were completely talking out your ass. Bill saying "it was all or nothing" does not validate your complete conjecture. Saying that they had the press conference because they thought Bill would sign the contract does not explain your theory about their serious concerns about his health. And if that was the case, wouldn't they say they were concerned about his health instead of making up bullshit about his demands being outrageous? And btw, do you have any fucking clue how many gigs he has played with them since his heart attack? Didn't think so. Because you're full of shit!


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posted by : HORRORHOLIC
1/25/2013 11:31:30 AM
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Ok then I'll explain. I have heard from an inside source (not directly but someone who has spoken to the person. And before you say it's BS, it was the same person that revealed Brad was playing with Sabbath over a month before it was reported) Bill wasn't working out in the studio, was having alot of trouble keeping up etc... but they did indeed did want him to be a part of it. They offered him a more part time spot which he obviously he felt was an insult to him.

The reason they didn't make public comments about his health, what kind of psychical shape he is in or his current ability is because they didn't wanna make him look bad and were still hoping he would reconsider. Once Bill mae it public they were very clear that there was more to the story.


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COMMENT | danman75
posted by : Itwalksamongus
1/25/2013 7:09:33 AM
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Don't take this the wrong way, but you're a fucking moron. Black Sabbath created heavy metal as we know it today.

Really - go back to picking bugs off your sister.


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COMMENT | Just hope it all actually takes place.....
posted by : dblbass
1/25/2013 7:11:36 AM
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That's a lot of work for someone with the health problems that Iommi's dealing with. Good luck to him. I'm REALLY looking forward to this. If they can do an album that ranks with their classic stuff.....as Van Halen did.....I'll be one happy dude.


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posted by : UlverShuggah
1/25/2013 7:17:44 AM
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the best thing ozzy (and the osborne family in general) could do right now, is drop dead...

This album will suck.


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COMMENT | denmark
posted by : motley crue
1/25/2013 7:18:47 AM
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new sabbath is always god but i find it really bizarre that they dont do it with bill ward how mony gredy can these guys be ....


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posted by : Adveser
1/25/2013 7:20:28 AM
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Rubin = Pile of shit recording methods. He has no business calling the shots. He was the owner of a label and thought that meant it would entitle him to more money if collected 3 extra points per record. He has no formal training or experience to speak of. He has ideas that engineers have to make work, which are so misguided that this becomes impossible. The worst thing about him is that he gets more heavy handed with the ideas and less hands on as time goes on making his impact on the record that much worse.

The writing is on the wall here, folks.


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posted by : bongwarrior
1/25/2013 7:26:25 AM
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Sure is, it's going to be the album of the year.


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COMMENT | 666 curse
posted by : Hemiskull
1/25/2013 7:28:58 AM
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Right from the get go, the Black Sabbath reunion has been cursed. If the tour makes it to north america this summer and my hicktowns 9,000 seat areana i'm in. Doubt it though, i thinking it will be riddled with problems. Either health, Sharon, low tickets sales...

Glad to hear the Ironman is doing well.
Long Live the Riffmaster.


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COMMENT | 'RE: 666 curse'
posted by : Devil's Chord
1/25/2013 11:23:39 PM
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Low ticket sales - no way. Health problems... sure.


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posted by : angelus1
1/25/2013 7:30:53 AM
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I hope they really are dropping the confines of the Post-Classic "Heavy Metal" label they've been cemented into since the original breakup. I hope Tony can part ways with his less-than-amazing current "sound" with all his signature this and custom that and a truckload of rack units and just plug in and play, turn that shit up to 11 with a few pedals. I hope Geezer can find a less "HEY! LOOK AT ME!" place in the mix, because "The Devil You Know" was a bit too bass-forward.

Most importantly, I hope Ozzy Osbourne can find his breath and get some range back into his singing.


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posted by : Iommi77
1/25/2013 9:14:58 AM
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You may not have loved TDYK, I probably only love 3 or 4 songs from it and enjoy it a lot overall, but Tony pioneered guitar sound and technology as well as heaviness and composition, and that is still evident on a song like Follow the Tears. For a guy at 60 years old, he did some amazing work on that album, and if he does half as well on the new album at 64, with cancer and a singer that contributes about 1/100000th of what Dio did, I'll be impressed.


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posted by : angelus1
1/25/2013 1:31:02 PM
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I like TDYK a great deal, better than Dehumanizer, though Follow the Tears is one of the weaker tracks, IMO


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posted by : Megamoca coffee
1/25/2013 7:42:24 AM
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I wish I was excited for the new album, but i'm not.


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COMMENT | It's Rubin's fuckin fault!
posted by : JJJB
1/25/2013 7:42:41 AM
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He's the one that said "we don't need Bill Fuck use this guy"

Over rated piece of shit producer that he is.


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posted by : stop having kids
1/25/2013 7:44:00 AM
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no drugs and booze? = no Sabbath haha


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COMMENT | Misleading Title
posted by : Geezer Iommi
1/25/2013 8:03:45 AM
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I read Black Sabbath bassist and immediately thought of Laurence Cottle...


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posted by : Leonard Rockstein
1/25/2013 8:06:19 AM
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Listening to The Devil You Know right now. Fantastic record. Tony & Geezer are going to rock on the new album, but I just hope they chance the title. I like the number 13 but not as a album title for Black fucking Sabbath! ''Vol. 4'' sounded lame enough.


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COMMENT | Give Wilk a chance
posted by : MysisterlookslikeLemmy
1/25/2013 8:10:21 AM
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Odd choice and I have been debating over it but I like Deep Purple without Blackmore, Iron Maiden without DiAnno, Kiss without Ace. So I'm giving this a chance. I don't blame Sharon for Bill not being there, I blame Osbourne, Iommi, Butler and Ward. They are Black Sabbath, no one else and they couldn't come to a reasonable deal. Maybe Bill does the album and Vinny Appice the tour? That would have carried more legitimacy. Anyway, it will sound like Black Sabbath and will rule over anything else.


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COMMENT | rubin
posted by : toozicon
1/25/2013 8:20:28 AM
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Rubin gets a lot of flack on here but shouldn't...A lot of you youngsters can't remember where he comes from and the major albums he has produced that are awesome...The Cult, Trouble, Danzig, Slayer, Johny Cash, RHCP, All awesome. Even DM by Metallica was the turn around of the century. Rick...keep doing what you doing!


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COMMENT | 'RE: rubin'
posted by : Iommi77
1/25/2013 11:10:28 AM
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Regardless of sales/success, he's always been a lazy lbel mogul more than a producer. He's been doing his lay on a couch svengali fraud act since at least 1990. Record labels pay him for his captain obvious bullshit assessments and engineering crew, but Sabbath have certainly voiced their opinion on his bullshit. Lars Ulrich is such a hipster douche desperate to be trendy, he'd blow wind up Rubin for years. Cash was old and used up. Sabbath management, Shozzy, and the record label may have thought Rubin was warranted, but Iommi and Butler, the main creators since 69, know the score, toed the corporate line, and did what they know is best.

Rubin is an overrated, overpaid fan. I hope his engineers did a good job.


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posted by : ShadowOfTheWave
1/25/2013 8:37:12 AM
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Disappointing that they hired a weak ass like Rubin, he's just stealing money from these big bands at this point. Apparently he put the first record for Sabbath, then said, try to write what comes next. What a fucking idiot, like any other producer, fan or even themselves couldn't have done that. Shame he has a bigger name than others, who you know actually care about the sound of the record.


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COMMENT | Coincidentally 13 is
posted by : You
1/25/2013 8:53:47 AM
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the number right after the last of the Black Sabbath and Heaven and Hell studio albums that include Ozzy and Dio. (Last Heaven and Hell studio album included).

So, this would be the official 13th album from those 2 lineups, which are the real Sabbath. (Even though Born Again was pretty cool).


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COMMENT | 'RE: Coincidentally 13 is'
posted by : Evil_Twin
1/25/2013 9:13:40 AM
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And 1 3 = 4, the number of original band members, but 1 isn't participating, because he got screwed by the other 3. (Even though Born Again was pretty cool).


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posted by : RiotAct666
1/25/2013 9:20:46 AM
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Bring on the new Sabbath album either way.


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1/25/2013 11:13:37 AM
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Your stupidity is scary.


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posted by : mranthrope
1/25/2013 11:31:24 AM
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and annoying


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posted by : syko kyd
1/25/2013 9:46:57 AM
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Hopefully they can get Bill Ward to tour with them.


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posted by : Zambo
1/25/2013 9:47:38 AM
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Good to hear Geezer saying 13 might not be the final title. It's a little too bland at this point in metal and Sabbath history.


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COMMENT | ^^^
posted by : And Then There Were None
1/25/2013 10:08:53 AM
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really? 13 is an awesome and inspired name for an album.

just ask Anvil and Megadeth, two bands at the zenith of their creative powers.


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posted by : glamsucks
1/25/2013 10:39:57 AM
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Geezer is God


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COMMENT | back to the sabbath groove!!
posted by : dejavu
1/25/2013 11:02:16 AM
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interesting comment on Brad Wilk, completely agree


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posted by : I am FULLY LOADED
1/25/2013 11:44:13 AM
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No Tony Iommi-No Jethro Tull


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posted by : DTC
1/25/2013 12:19:39 PM
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I'm so glad they're seeming to go back to their original bluesy sound instead of the modern generic metal sound. Should be nothing like the two songs they did in the 90s. Getting more excited with every update.


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COMMENT | Can't f'n wait
posted by : RedZombie
1/25/2013 2:43:28 PM
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Glad to hear that 13 isn't the finalised title. Also don't forget about the other song 'Selling My Soul' which is a bit better.


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COMMENT | 13 Won't Be All That
posted by : Eatfucksuck
1/25/2013 2:55:12 PM
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Without Bill W. The Air Is Already Low


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COMMENT | That's really cool, that the new stuff has that jazzy, bluesy feel to it here and there.
posted by : electric-mombie
1/25/2013 3:14:49 PM
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That, and Geezer citing the first three Sabbath albums as an idea of the vibe for the new one. Sabbath was never really 'metal': heavy as fuck, yes, but definitely hard rock.

I can't wait to hear this new record, now. Bill or no Bill, life is short and why not make another Sabbath record with Ozzy while you still can? Rick Rubin will do a great job with them. He's as much of a fan of Sabbath as any of us, and I think his input will serve the album well.


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COMMENT | Danman75
posted by : metallicat81
1/25/2013 3:36:04 PM
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To clueless fuckface Danman75. The Sabbath Australian tour has sold more tickets than the Kiss/Mötley tour. Also You're speaking utter shit regarding them selling out 2 Stadium shows in Melbourne. Kiss/Motley in Melbourne are playing at a stadium that is being transformed into what they're calling intimate arena mode which will hold 10000, they have sold 1 show and are struggling to sell tickets to the 2nd show . Sabbath on their own have sold out a Melbourne arena show 15000 & announced a 2nd show which is 3/4 sold.


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posted by : JOSHSKORN
1/26/2013 1:21:28 AM
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No Hulk Hogan = No Metallica


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COMMENT | Best, most informative BLACK SABBATH page on fb
posted by : Johnny_boy_Angel
1/29/2013 7:25:01 AM
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Everything about Black Sabbath A-Z - every line-up, album, member, and packed full of history and information.

https://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn#!/groups/Complete.Black.Sabbath/


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COMMENT | Well...
posted by : K1988
4/6/2013 2:11:50 AM
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So I assume it's safe to say the album is named 13 now since the artwork has came out for it?


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